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Post by Emcee on Apr 5, 2005 6:24:27 GMT -5
Three have died and there's now a Hellmouth under Palo Alto. Connor must deal with an influx of demonic activity, Salome's mysterious illness and the continuing threat of the Circle. But could things change with a visit from Wolfram and Hart's former femme fatale?
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Post by Deacon on Apr 5, 2005 15:57:38 GMT -5
Errrgggghhhh!!! why put it out the day before!!! make me so excited!!! Grr-Argh. CAN'T. WAIT!  |
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Post by Emcee on Apr 6, 2005 1:22:48 GMT -5
I have to put the thread up when I'm coding the episode so I can have the correct link.
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Post by Buffy8Fan on Apr 6, 2005 15:30:59 GMT -5
Halfway through the fourth act I was wondering why this was going to be a three-parter, it didn't make any sense, then, The First/Jasmine showed up. I am not a huge Jasmine fan and I personally hope that The First doesn't stay in her guise for long.
As for Wesely or should I say Vail, that shocked the Hell out of me, but now that I think about it, it should have been at least a little obvious. Is Wesley going to be back or is it going to be Vail or are they both going to die?
I hope that when or if Illyria makes a guest apperance (hopefully when Angel comes) she'll be pissed off as Hell (if that is they way you have it written, I'm still assuming he's a season long bad guy).
Is Solome gonna be better in the next episode or is it gonna take a while?
So far out of the three-parter (and the two parts that have aired) The Vampire Slayer was my favorite and I am hoping for another great episode and so on.
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Post by Emcee on Apr 6, 2005 16:39:52 GMT -5
The First will be taking many different forms during "Memento Mori". All of the good-- except for Oni-- will be visited by the First in one form or another. Some people get two or three incarnations of the First.
There are hints from the first episode onward that Cyvus Vail is in Wesley. As for their fate... Well, you just have to wait until the next ep.
Salome will be back on her feet by episode 12.
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Post by Deacon on Apr 6, 2005 16:39:52 GMT -5
one note: it was stated in the series that Sahjahn was a Granok Deamon not a Resikhian. thats just the name of the urn
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Post by Emcee on Apr 6, 2005 16:42:38 GMT -5
What ep? I have absolutely NO recollection of that. I even checked twice to make sure his species was never mention.
EDIT: I just rewatched the scenes in which the name "Granok" is supposedly uttered. The name is never mentioned as Sahjhan's species. My rule is if it's not mentioned on screen, it's not canon.
If you must have some explanation, "Resikhian" is Nyazian for "Granok Demon".
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Post by Wind Fish on Apr 7, 2005 2:49:38 GMT -5
I'll probably have more to say later, but I just wanted to throw this out quick. Am I the only one who's reading too much into the following line:
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Post by Emcee on Apr 7, 2005 11:38:21 GMT -5
You really think that means something?
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Post by Wind Fish on Apr 7, 2005 12:43:26 GMT -5
Sometimes I think too much. So... yes, I do. When I read that line (and I should have quoted the couple above it too) I couldn't attribute that to disorientation from the illness. I don't know what she's hiding, if anything, but I'll be looking for it until the story proves me wrong.
Of course, now that I think about it, I can't actually remember what we're supposed to know about Salome and Azriel's relation to each other, except for the same species thing. Was the cousin remark referring to that, or was Connor told that they are cousins? So I think I need to do some back reading before I come to a conclusion.
I liked Wesley-Cyvus quoting Connor's line from Origin. I also liked what you did with the memory wipe here. I'm looking forward to seeing how that plays out. I wonder what would happen if his memories went straight from Connor Angel to the period where he's just Connor Riley. Based on the small sample in this episode, I think you have at least a little bit of a different interpretation than me in regards to how this would work. So I'm torn, I'm split down the middle on wanting the spell broken and the spell in place. Damn you, memory wipe!
Speaking of the Granok thing, I remember reading an episode of The Destroyer and at the end there was a footnote that said that the Granok were formally called the Dharwals. I wondered why she'd change the name. When I found out the reason, I was surprised there was a name for Sahjahn's race. The way they decided to cut the lines seems odd to me. Oh well.
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Post by Emcee on Apr 7, 2005 12:58:44 GMT -5
Andrew thought that Azriel was Salome's cousin and said it in the previous episode. But as we all know, Andrew knows shit. I will tell you that Azriel is not Salome's cousin. They are closer than that.
I've been holding onto that quote since EPISODE ONE. I've been DYING to use it.
Connor's memories will be dealt with in "Devil's in the Details".
Masq and I have talked about this a lot in the last day. It's such an obscure little thing that I'm keeping the species "Resikhian". I might mention later on that they're also called Granoks. But, as far as I'm concerned, it's not hard canon enough for me to justify going back and changing the scene.
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Post by Deacon on Apr 7, 2005 16:26:54 GMT -5
EDIT: I just rewatched the scenes in which the name "Granok" is supposedly uttered. The name is never mentioned as Sahjhan's species. My rule is if it's not mentioned on screen, it's not canon. If you must have some explanation, "Resikhian" is Nyazian for "Granok Demon". ok, didn't mean any offence, its something that i went to great lengths to figure out for a big fanfic ive been writing for months and the translation of his spell is "corpse of granok demon Sahjahn" but since im probably went a billion miles on that it doesn't matter. sorry didnt mean it in a bad way  |
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Post by Emcee on Apr 7, 2005 16:35:09 GMT -5
S'all right. It's good to know. You really did go the extra mile on your fic. If you found that out.
The explanation's simply going to be that Mesketet (who gave Connor the spell) and the Nyazians (since Salome, Azriel and Cyvus are the only ones to refer to the Resikhians) simply refer to the demons differently. It's just a language thing.
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Post by Deacon on Apr 7, 2005 21:20:09 GMT -5
ok, cool i kinda guessed that would be it and its scary how much research i do to find out when the granok/resikhian demons were incoporealized i looked over the scene and then by seeing the armor found out what century it was from and cross referenced it i'm a loser or a cross-referencing fool ;D |
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Post by DMasterson on Apr 9, 2005 1:51:22 GMT -5
Very good stuff, you've set up a ton of things that I want to see through to the end. How Connor's memory spell works is primed for some exploration, Lilah is always fun to have around, this twist with Cyvus and Wesley makes perfect sense yet still managed to surprise me, and if you use Jasmine like I think you're going to use Jasmine, it's the best way to get some good use out of her. No, she's not someone I imagine Connor having an awesome fight scene with, and no, she's not particularly scary, but she's perfect for messing with Connor's head. Plus she feeds into his whole prophecy-phobia, and when you combine that with her being from his Van Gogh period (Amputated ears and all), I think there are some great emotions to be had there.
Maybe just the one thing I'd criticise (I hate doing this to you, I like your stuff so much) is Jamie's acceptance of the saving Wesley thing. He didn't know Wesley before, he probably wouldn't care if Wes was in control or not, you know? Well with this Cyvus twist, who knows if saving is even an option anymore. Plus with the way you plan things long-term I'm sure Jamie'll get his chance to go nuts and try to kill the guy eventually. Ok, that's it for me, great work as always, and I can't wait for the next one.
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