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Post by Emcee on Mar 23, 2005 23:32:12 GMT -5
The first in a three-part event. Wesley and the Circle of the Black Thorn are determined to change the world. Connor is running against the clock to stop them. He's got new help in his battle. But can something written in a prophecy really be subverted?
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Post by Buffy8Fan on Mar 24, 2005 20:00:38 GMT -5
SPOILER ALERT I loved seeing Darla and The Master again, it is always a joy. Clarice's mystery took me by suprise, I never would have guessed that she was a slayer before she was turned because in most fiction I read vamps worship them or are afraid of their stregnth. I have always hated the character of Rona so I commened you and the character of Wesley for killing her off. Great idea and good job and don't have Connor punish himself too much. You got her character down perfect. The very last words of the episode made me fall off my seat. The fact thaat there is now a hellmouth where there wasn't one is not only a great ide for characters (bad guys) but also for writers. I would almost think Joss Whedon himself is writing this story.  |
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Post by Emcee on Mar 24, 2005 21:24:19 GMT -5
Darla and the Master weren't originally supposed to appear, but when it came to writing the flashback, I thought it was the perfect opportunity to bring them in. I love both of their characters and it really set Clarice as part of the Buffyverse.
I personally have always felt exactly as the vampires do in "The Vampire Slayer". I don't feel that Slayers would be sired because they're seen as the enemy and to a vampire being sired is a special experience. I'm glad it was a surprise.
I picked Rona because she was the Slayer I had the least amount of attachment to. Obviously, I couldn't kill off Faith or Buffy. The only other Slayers I remembered surviving "Chosen" were Kennedy, Vi and Rona. I really liked Vi and Kennedy was just too obvious to kill.
There are important reasons for the Hellmouth to be created that will come out. I really wanted to raise the stakes and I felt a Hellmouth was the right way to go about it.
That is the most wonderful compliment I can receive. Thank you so much.
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Post by Deacon on Apr 2, 2005 14:39:21 GMT -5
that kicked ass! so much to say so little time. killing any potential from S7 gets major kudos unless its Vi. Appocalypses are fun and about the next episode... how can i say this... gimmee, gimmee, gimmee!  |
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Post by Emcee on Apr 2, 2005 20:01:39 GMT -5
Thank you so much, Deacon. As I said earlier, I'm a fan of Vi so I wouldn't kill her off. I would like her appear at some point, but I wouldn't bring a hand against her. Apocalypses are a vital part of the Slayerverse. I couldn't do TNP without one.
BTW, Deacon... You post very regularly. You should register yourself with the forum, so no one can steal your name and you can use one of the many avatars.
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Post by David Masterson on Apr 3, 2005 16:47:08 GMT -5
This is my first time posting in response to a series like yours, so maybe any praise I have will have to be taken with a grain of salt, but I love your writing. Your vision of Connor is perfect, with his two sets of memories at war inside him, his love of the fight but his fear of losing control, and his need for acceptance conflicting with his hunter's instinct. He's exactly as I would've imagined him. With that said, I'll just throw out a few tidbits from your writing I thought were interesting, and if anything strikes a chord with you, I'd love to see you expand on them.
I like how you've used his tracking skills so far, and I think you can get some more mileage out of it if you expand on it. I don't want to say Demon CSI, but that sort of thing might be interesting. I'm sure that sounds hokey, but you're good, you make it work.
Also, maybe you could explore the upper limits of his powers. I know on Buffy they never really talked about how much weight she could lift or how high she could jump, but with Connor and Andrew's love of comics, it wouldn't be all that strange of a request for Andrew to make. It wouldn't be a big plot point or anything obviously, but you might find something interesting down that road. Or, maybe you could go the other way, and have Wesley send people after him with the purpose of collecting information about his physical skills, decision making, battle priorities, stuff like that. Then again, The Trio did something like that to Buffy, didn't they? He'd probably see it coming, so maybe scratch that idea.
Well, I'm not going to tell you how to do your thing, you obviously know what you're doing, so I'll just cap this off by saying thank you for taking the time to put something this well done together, and I'm sure you'll just get better.
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Post by Emcee on Apr 3, 2005 20:09:33 GMT -5
Thank you very much, David. I value any praise and criticisms given to my series, even if it's from a first-time poster.
I like the term "Demon CSI". I've actually thought of using something like that (and I may have used the same term, since I'm a big CSI fan). Connor's got great tracking skills, which I think could be utilized well for that. It's just a matter of finding an appropriate place to use them.
I've thought about exploring the limits of his powers, but I've been a bit hesitant. One of the nice things about having it ambigeous is you can do something later on that maybe I wouldn't have thought of earlier. I think Andrew might ask Connor something like that, but I don't know if he'd actually do it. But it's a possibility I'll keep in mind.
Thank you for taking the time to write a message about my series. It means a lot when viewers say something to me. It lets me know that all of my work isn't for naught.
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Post by Wind Fish on Apr 6, 2005 2:47:36 GMT -5
Nice way to ruin everyone's day, Wes. Actually, I'm surprised that I didn't think of specifically raising the hellmouth as being a possibility. It even fits with one of my Wes theories. I think I'll post more in the speculation topic...
Clarice being a vampire slayer was a cool twist. Very nice explanation of her powers. And Buffyfan pointed out why it’s a shock... was the implication that Benjamin didn't know Clarice was a slayer? Or that maybe he was too young to realize what he did was frowned upon?
I liked her as a villain so I'm a little sad to see her go, even more so now. I kind of figured she wouldn't survive this arc though, based on a conversation between Azriel and Wes a couple of episodes ago.
The main reason I liked seeing Clarice as a slayer is because I always wondered what would happen to Connor if he were turned. And a slayer being turned is as close as you can get. I always figured it'd be similar to Clarice, even if his powers already come from vampires. And hey, we almost got to find out. Which sucks for Connor considering that out of all his fears, being a demon is probably his biggest. I'm curious to see if his close encounter bothers him the next time he has to fight vamps.
Oh yeah, someone needs to tell Connor, Jaime, and Andrew that Clarice is dead. I think it would be somewhat funny to see them trying to get the old apartment back. I guess they don't have time for that right now though.
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Post by Emcee on Apr 6, 2005 3:24:11 GMT -5
I don't think anyone guessed that I was going to raise a Hellmouth. There have been some pretty close theories on how this first arc would play out, but no one has gotten it exactly right.
Clarice being a Slayer was an idea I had from the beginning and I really wanted to play it out. As I said before, there are some hints to it (Like in episode three Wesley says that death is Clarice's art and gift-- References to Season Five of Buffy).
I think Benjamin knew Clarice was a Slayer, he just didn't care or didn't realize how bad it was. (Just as a little aside: Darla sired Benjamin and Benjamin sired Clarice, making Clarice and Connor related in a very twisted vampire way).
I really did love Clarice and I'm sorry she had to go. But I think she had played out her storyline and it would have gotten dull if she just kept on running away. Besides, usually the "Little Bad" is killed before the "Big Bad" can really take over.
You've hit the nail on the head for why I made Clarice a Slayer. It was meant as a way to show the perversion of power. What could happen to Connor if he was ever turned. To show his powers are NOT evil, because he's not like Clarice.
I don't think he'll have any hesitance in fighting vampires after this. In fact, I think it'll strengthen his resolution.
The old apartment is sadly gone. I promise, they won't be stuck in the hell apartment for long. I have a good idea for their next place.
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Post by Wind Fish on Apr 6, 2005 11:31:23 GMT -5
I don't doubt that. I'm thinking more like the first time a vamp starts to get an upper hand, does Connor start pressing? I could see him trying way too hard to end a fight that's going bad and fighting out of control, because visions of his near un-death are still right there.
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Post by Buffy8Fan on Apr 25, 2005 16:13:56 GMT -5
I started rereading the three-parter again just moments ago and as I am majoring in writing, I am curious; how much time do you spend or do you worry much at all about the dates. Foe example in the opening of The Vampire Slayer (episode # 9), there is a flashback of The Master, Darla and Clarice. Do you go through all the episodes of Buffy and Angel that have The Master and Darla in them to see if the dates match up with the date you have in your episode so they are either alive or in the right spot on earth and not somewhere else at the time? When I write that is usually the hardest part for me. How, if at all, do you deal with that kind of problem?
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Post by Emcee on Apr 26, 2005 0:41:19 GMT -5
The only episode I consulted was "Darla", to make sure the Darla was indeed a vampire at the time. The flashback in this episode takes place between when Darla was vamped (1609) and when Darla made Angel (1753), so I figured that 150 year gap was pretty much free reign.
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Post by davis on Apr 28, 2009 23:14:52 GMT -5
Okay, I missed a lot of season seven of Buffy ... but Rona in this ep was *not* my favorite character. Big Salome fan, so Rona's attitude against her was not a favorite. Was sorry to see her get killed though.
And geez, kind of sudden and anti-climactic for Clarice. Glad to see Azriel again, love PW!
Going onto part 2 now!
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