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Post by Emcee on Jun 22, 2005 7:24:26 GMT -5
With his new memories inexplicably fading, Connor decides to go home to say goodbye to the Rileys.
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Post by Hamilton on Jun 22, 2005 12:56:27 GMT -5
can anyone get into the episode
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Post by Emcee on Jun 22, 2005 13:09:30 GMT -5
I'm sorry. I was coding the episode and the forum has to go up while I'm coding so I had the right address and then I had to go out and wasn't able to upload the ep.
Short story: It'll be up in an hour or so.
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Post by Hamiltion on Jun 22, 2005 13:15:40 GMT -5
Thats ok just making sure it wasn't posted yet
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Post by spasticvisions on Jun 22, 2005 16:37:03 GMT -5
Wow. I think you topped yourself this time. This episode broke my heart and I loved every word of it. And the fact that Connor was subconsciously doing the memory reversal buy himself made things that much more tragic. Fantastic job.
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Post by bvfan Randy Giles on Jun 23, 2005 0:43:03 GMT -5
First off these lines i love for some reason "Andrew tried to make a turkey but he nearly burnt the apartment down. Jamie got upset because someone stepped on his Enterprise ornament and broke it. Oni was confused by us hanging footwear on the walls. Salome gave me a yarmulke. In the end, we went to Caritas and sang karaoke until dawn."
Now onto the main things i loved about this episode you slid away from the NP which when you do you do it in a way were you forget there a big part of the story.
The Ace over Queen ship you making it into Buffy and Angel which leads me to think that one of them is getting sent into a hell dimension and leave the other in a depressed mood in not too long but that is the nature of Buffyverse ships now not to say i don't love the ship.
Andrew and Jamie doing some fighting i liked that seeing how i can relate to Jamie only thing is i got a girl who is a mix between Oni and Sal without the demon stuff which is why i seem to like Jamie and if he is going to be the somewhat Xander of your Series he is on his way hum maybe a vengence demon in the future for Jay
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Post by Emcee on Jun 23, 2005 5:27:42 GMT -5
I'm glad you liked the episode. I'm a bit confused as to why you find it so tragic though. Granted, it is sad, but Connor handles the fading memories. He's got a family-- Andrew, Jamie, Salome, Oni, Wesley. And he realizes that at the end of the episode. He doesn't need to cling to the memory spell because Connor Angel has found a family.
I really liked that line too. I don't know why I threw that in there. I think I maybe wanted to catch people off guard... Either that or see if I could get people to ask for a Nyazian Prophecies Christmas fanfic.
Thanks. I wanted to leave this story as pretty much JUST Connor visiting his family. But, of course, being that it's TNP, there had to be some sort of demon appearance. But I think the Legion Demons turned out really well.
That's been said before... But quite frankly, I don't get it. I think there are some surface similarities to Buffy/Angel (a warrior and a demon, two main characters, Connor went temporarily evil after they slept together) but I think their dynamic is very different. Ace over Queen isn't a star-crossed love. In fact, things are going pretty well for them. They're also on a much more even playing field. Maturity wise, Connor and Salome are pretty well matched. They can also share each other's lives in a way that Buffy and Angel never could.
Oh, I love Jay. And he does have some Xander-ish qualities (except, you know, Jamie is a rocket scientist and Xander is... Not). I have some big plans for him. He'll really start to come into his own in S2.
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Post by Amy Jade on Jun 23, 2005 10:49:10 GMT -5
Great episode! I really liked how you dealt with the memory thing. I wish I could print it out and read it again, since it's easier for me to read stuff on paper than on the computer screen, but I printed out all the other episodes already and got yelled at for wasting ink. Definitely worth it, though.
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Post by Wind Fish on Jun 23, 2005 13:07:07 GMT -5
That first act was huge! I got to the end of it and I thought for sure that was half the episode. It wasn't until I scrolled up and saw the credits still there that I realized nope, I'm still at the beginning.
This was an episode that Connor needed. I'm glad that he pretty much came to terms with what's happening, and I'm glad he realized (though I think he knew before) that he has a family, one that's actually his and not just given to him.
Did anyone else think the Rileys were gonna die? It was only for a few seconds, but I admittedly got nervous.
Here's one of the minor reasons why the whole mind wipe intrigues me. Alright, so Connor thinks he's forgetting how to drive a car. But would he really? I mean, yeah, he'll forget about all the lessons he took. But at the same time, he'll remember all the times he actually did drive, wouldn't he? So would he really need to learn again if he already remembers doing it? I honestly don't know how I feel about stuff like that, which is one of the reasons I was so interested to see how it (the wipe in general) was handled.
But we're not out of the woods yet, right? There's still a little (lot?) more fallout (everyone and everything else under the spell) to be had once Cyvus bites it, whether that's actually going to be important to anything or not.
*raises hand* Yeah, because one's (mostly) human and the other is a demon, I thought that there could be similar issues that arise from that. But I guess those issues don't apply, so I really haven't even thought of the comparison since then.
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Post by Emcee on Jun 23, 2005 15:23:55 GMT -5
The first act WAS incredibly long compared to other episodes. I hope it didn't drag at all. I was worried about that.
Salome called them a family in "Still Life" and Connor called Jamie is brother in "Sugar and Spice", but I think this is the first time it REALLY registered. Andrew and Jamie are his brothers, Oni is his wacky cousin, Wesley is his uncle and Salome.... is, well, Salome. (I really have no idea how to equate her in Connor's family other than as Salome).
He was exaggerating. He's not really sure what to expect. Mainly because I haven't figure out what would happen if the memory wipe completely reversed.
Most definitely.
The big difference between B/A and C/S is Connor doesn't act like a normal human and Salome doesn't act like a normal demon. Buffy was firmly gripped in a normal life, with friends and family. Connor was raised in a hell dimension and is MUCH closer to being a demon than a normal Slayer. Salome doesn't have to hide in the dark as Angel did. They can function as a normal(ish) couple and really share in each other's lives.
That's not to say C/S will not develop problems. They'll just be unique to them.
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Post by Wind Fish on Jun 23, 2005 20:53:35 GMT -5
No, it didn't drag on. It read really well. It just didn't seem like only one act by the time I got to the end of it. It's possible that I just read it slower than usual too.
Yeah, I was trying to say that at some level he knew, but he hadn't felt it in his heart the way he does now.
I meant to say he was nervous about it. I assumed, correctly or not, that he didn't want to take a chance driving back if there was someone else around to get him home, not that he couldn't do it. Like you said, he doesn't know what's going to happen yet and doesn't need to take unnecessary chances.
I agree with that and the other stuff. Like I said at the time, I was comparing things that I thought potentially could have come up far off in the future (aging, kids), more so than their current relationship dynamic. But if those things aren't issues, then I see it the same way you do.
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Post by Emcee on Jun 24, 2005 5:14:18 GMT -5
Good. I was worried about that. I didn't want to cut it because I think everything I left in was important, but I knew it WAS longer.
Pretty much from the get-go with TNP, I knew I wanted to give Connor a real family. I think Angel's big flaw with the memory wipe is you can't just throw Connor into a group of people, tell him (mystically) that they're a family and have it all work out. The truth is, a real family isn't based on blood (or adoption, in Connor's case), but people who would really do anything for you and make you feel good being around them. The Scoobies were a family, the Fang Gang were a family and now the Justice League are a family. This is one of the reasons why they're all basically ABANDONED. Jamie's only got his dad, Salome's got Meerna, Oni's got her mother and Andrew's got Tucker, but that's pretty much it. They were all kind of on their own so they had to form their own group.
Connor's really going to have to think about what he knows and... Well, who he is... Now that he's really come to grips with the memory spell. I think he's still struggling with his identity. He knows, no matter what, he's different than either Connor Angel or Connor Riley. He feels closer to Connor Angel now, but he's still got all of the experiences as Connor Riley. I think, at the moment, the only thing he's really sure of is his friends. He knows no matter who he is, he's friends with Andrew, Jamie, Oni and Wes and that he's in love with Salome. But past that he's not so sure.
I don't think aging is an issue... I think Connor's aging rate is different than normal humans.
As for kids... *thinks* Well, Oni did say Nyazians have litters. And they've both got pretty unpredictable superpowers. And the kids may or may not be purple... And Connor's last child was a fallen higher power who wanted to take over the world.... I think, if it ever comes up, the general consensus will be "YIKES!"
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Post by Zev on Jun 29, 2005 19:50:26 GMT -5
Cool episode, love the ending. But, I being the Obsessibe Compulsive Wesley fan that I am, CANNOT wait for the next episode. When is it airing?? That was like the main thing I was thinking about all through this episode.
These were my thoughts.
"Oh no demon's at the Riley's!" I wonder when "rogue" will air
"Oh good that was a cute ending with Salome" I wonder if Wesley ever gets with Oni
Was Alexis always that good looking?
I shouldn't of read those spoilers now all you can think about if what's for dinner, what the little voice's inside my head plan on telling me to do next, and what gonna happen next episode!
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Post by Emcee on Jun 29, 2005 22:09:05 GMT -5
Probably next week. I hope. I've been really tired lately and have had trouble concentrating.
Good to have you around. You've got good taste. Wesley's awesome... And hot. Of course, My heart will always belong to Connor... But Wes is a bit of all right.
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Post by Fre on Jun 29, 2005 22:17:45 GMT -5
Of course, My heart will always belong to Connor... But Wes is a bit of all right. heart belongs to Wes, so it all evens out in the end. Unfortunately, at the moment, my head belongs to migraine. >.< |
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