Place Your Theories Here: Wesley

[Emcee]

The mystery that is Wesley:

How is he back?
What's he trying to do with his blood sacrifices?
Is our beloved rogue demon hunter gone for good?

Specularize and theorolate.

[MizuRyuu]

it is possible that the contracts signed by the Angel gang when they joined WandH make them be unable to fully die.... that would explain why he is back... but the evilness.... maybe because when he killed Cyrus(?) part of the demon essense went into him.....

only thing bad about my theory would be Gunn being alive too... but then, maybe he is and just haven't showed up....

[Emcee]

Gunn is alive. It was stated in 1x01 that Buffy + Army arrived before he died.

[Deacon]

well, i gotta few theories, none of which i strongly believe but either think its a possibility or something i wish would happen

1) Wesley made a deal w/ the SPs/Lilah post-death since he wasn't exactly stable since Fred died and ended up selling his soul for the position in the CoBT (and by the way, wouldn't he have had to kill a liuetenant to "get on the Circle's radar"?)

2) aka I can dream- Lindsey has possesed Wes's body so he can exact his revenge and make it into the Circle. (bring back Lindsey!!

3) Cyrus Vail jumped into Wes's body since it was the closest unused body when Illyria bashed his head in.

4) an alternative to #1 in which it was the First Wes made a deal w/ seeing as that'd cover the seal to an extent and the First probably has something to do w/ W&H seeing as its the oldest evil and thei the oldest human evil

please tell me if i'm any where close.

[Emcee]

Welll.... You're on to something with one of them.

[Deacon]

I'm gonna go w/ my Cyrus theory since he was uber strong in magik and wouldn't be detered by mortal death. also he'd already be the last of the circle.

[Wind Fish]

I wanted to post my theories on Wes a while ago, but since I don't know what I'm talking about completely, I held off. Then I forgot about them.

Like I mentioned at some point, and like a couple of Deacon's theories, I'm not completely convinced it's him. I originally thought that maybe it was just a Senior Partner (or some other W&H member) in disguise hoping just to throw the good guys off his/her/it's trail when they found out about him. You know, waste time wondering why Wes is back instead of actually spending all of your resources worrying about me.

Right now as I'm typing the thought came to me that Illyria is somehow using Wes to raise an army for herself. She was with him when he died, and we don't know what she did with him. If I recall correctly, she's now with Angel and everyone so they wouldn't suspect she has anything to do with this. Honestly though, the idea really makes no sense in my head, but there it is anyway.


But going with the (more likely, I think) idea that it is Wes, the other theory I had, which I can't really explain completely because I just can't come up with a specific idea/plan, is that before (or possibly after) Wes died he made a deal to join the Circle (they were interested, if I recall correctly). However, it wouldn't be because he sided with them.

Maybe it's because there has to be some balance of good and evil and with the old Circle gone and a whole bunch of slayers, there's too much good and he has to fix that (raising The First?).

Maybe he knew of other consequences of what Angel did and he's got some clever plan of stopping it from the inside.

I don't really know. But the murdering of innocents would go with the idea of doing what is necessary and also keeping the Partners from suspecting anything.


Eh, this Wes is probably just a robot. That's trying to bring back Fred.

[Emcee]

Maybe it's because there has to be some balance of good and evil and with the old Circle gone and a whole bunch of slayers, there's too much good and he has to fix that (raising The First?).

I'm not saying ALL of your theories are right, but you are definitely onto something.

Eh, this Wes is probably just a robot. That's trying to bring back Fred.

Or it's Toth.

.....

Sorry. I couldn't resist.

[Deacon]

Or it's Toth.

British for idiot?

In all seriousness, i gotta change my vote to Wes made a deal w/ the SPS/CoBT for a couple of reason, some have been brought up some are new:

1) for those of you who were brain dead during S5, after Fred's death Wes became as Vail put it "intriguingly unstable" and I could see him reverting to his early S4 persona and having a back door into the Circle if Angel's plan failed

2) It could be Illyria, she's out there now, w/out a guide, i doubt she'd stick around AI since Wes' death and its quite possible she used her god powers to ressurect him, and you all know that you always go through a dark stage post -post-mortem, so imagine brassed off rogue demon hunter on a bad day

3) I just gotta think this cause hes another one of my favorites: Holland Manners. He was the evil king of giving you the big talk and offer. I could see Wes waking up in a mode like Spike in the beggining of last season and finding Holland standing there w/ that lawyer of doom smile, ready to bring him to the dark side. that or it'd be Lilah since she apears later w/ a deal for Connor and Co.

4) And finally there's the "W&H workers never die" clause in every contract at the firm. It's possible that since the SPs owned Wes after he died that they edited him to their liking and sent him back up to rebuild what he helped destroy, the Circle.

Warmer? Colder?

[Emcee]

We're getting to the point that I don't want to say anything, because it's coming up REALLY soon.

[Deacon]

why can't Wes make contact in the ep w/ Angel? that would be amazing!

[Buffy8Fan]

I have had plenty of theories about Wesley since episode 1. The first theory lasted a while but was finally crushed by Emcee and it was that Wesley is an Old One.
The second theory was that Emcee is creating a new monster never before seen in the Buffyverse, however I am not 100% sure about this theory.
My third theory was that he (Wesley) got infected by a god, however unlike with Glory and Ben Wesley's inhabiting God doesn't have to be forced to shift back and forth.
Now that I think about it though that last theory is probably even less likely than the creating a new monster theory. So this recent theory was that Wesley, post Fred's death, signed something without reading the fine print. I say post Fed's death because I believe he was smart enough to read the fine print before her death and there is a line in I think the fourth episode where Wesley says, "Wolfram and Hart works for me." I think he says this because he is on his way to becoming a Senior Partner but has to do something extremely evil (or as the Senior Partners might see it, "For the greater good") to get the position.
Out of all the theories I am pretty sure I am going to keep this one until we find out the truth.

[Wind Fish]

Going into The Vampire Slayer I was all but sold on the "Wes isn't evil, he's doing what he has to... I just don't know the what or why yet" theory. Then Connor has to go and somewhat recognize those damn yellow eyes. So then I'm scrambling trying to figure out why they would seem familiar...

...but wait! Wes creates a hellmouth! That can fit perfectly with my above theory. So now I'm basically comitted to it, which makes me kind of glad. If I'm right, I get to be happy I'm right. If I'm wrong, I'm completely shocked. I win either way.

But the eyes... there's got to be something important there that I'm missing. They were a main reason I questioned this theory originally, and they're probably going to bug me until the official answer surfaces.

...

So much for me being content and willing to wait, huh?

So this recent theory was that Wesley, post Fred's death, signed something without reading the fine print.

Wes not reading the fine print when faced with difficult circumstances? Definitely in character. I wouldn't be surprised if Wes trying to do good just ended in disaster because he didn't think things through.


EDIT: After glancing at some topics on this board, I realize I'm making this too simple. But I'm still going with the idea that Wes originally had good intentions, he still has good intentions, and that it'll probably all blow up in his face.

[Buffy8Fan]

SPOILER ALERT

Oddly enough the actual Emcee (actually written in an episode) theory was a halfway rejected theory of mine. One of my rejected theories was that Wesley was infected by a god but without the conditions that Glory had (cursed in the body of a human). Emcee had Wesley and Cyrus Vail in pulling a Angelus/Angel deal with Wesley trying to win the fight against Vail

[Deacon]

oh hell I'm good! I knew it was Vail since "My Brothers Keeper"!! oh f*ck i'm good!