Evil/Wrong Things of Buffy Characters

[Buffy8Fan]

As I write this I am going to try and not violate any rules but it might be a little difficult. I hate Xander Harris and have never made it a secret.
I was thinking of all the reasons I hate him when a thought occured to me. How many evil/wrong things has he done from seasons 1-7 of Buffy and with that thought a challenge begun.
As of right now I am in the middle of a challenge (season six, episode DMP) marking down all the evil and wrong things (on a season by season basis) the scooby gang members have done.
These members include: Buffy, Xander, Willow, Angel, Cordelia, Spike, Joyce, Ms. Calander, Oz, Tara, Riley, Andrew, Dawn, Faith, Kennedy, and Wood.
I would love to see the Angel side of it but I don't have those DVD'S and I would also like to do bad guys doing good things but that'll have to wait until I am done with the original idea.
I am putting this up here to see what people think before I am done with my calculations.

[Buffy8Fan]

;)I finally finished. The problem is I left the results at home. So hopefully I can post them on wednesday.
I do know for a fact without looking at the sheet that Willow got the highest marks mainly because of her season sixc badness, followed closely by Xander because he's Xander, then Buffy and Giles. At least out of the four main characters anyway.

[Buffy8Fan]

First the characters I chose to do are (again): Buffy, Xander, Willow, Cordelia, Angel, Angelus, Giles, Oz, Faith, Spike, Riley, Anya, Tara, Andrew, Dawn, Kennedy, Wood, Jenny Calander and Joyce Summers.

Second is that the order these numbers go in is the order of the seasons they were in.

Buffy: 6+91+135+118+200+172+98=820
Xander: 23+103+144+76+161+241+112=860
Willow: 12+29+131+143+168+356+55=894
Cordelia: 14+65+70=149
Angel: 2+23+64 ("Enemies" was counted)+12+3+9=113
Angelus: 136+56("Enemies" was counted here)+8=200
Giles: 12+25+68+49+48+27+63=292
Oz: 2+26+22=50
Faith: 105+48+38=191
Spike: 81+24+146+196+139+77=663
Riley: 50+69+9+1=129
Anya: 19+42+110+101+114=386
Tara: 2+30+43+1=76 (This last one counts as giving the
First its plan in season seven).
Andrew: 63+39=102
Dawn: 112+82+65=259
Kennedy: 50
Wood: 46
Jenny Calander: 3+1=4
Joyce Summers: 5+35+52+6+20=118

I hope to one day do all the Angel seasons but I only have the 1st season on DVD so far, so as of right now, it'll be a slow process.

[Emcee]

This is an interesting idea... However, I think it's all up to perception what is considering an evil/wrong thing. Everyone's sense of morality is different. Also personal biases towards characters would influence the final tally.

[Buffy8Fan]

I didn't realize this when I first started, but found out quickly. As for being biast; that didn't happen because if I had been, Xander would have recieved the most marks. Emcee is right, however, about the morality comment because if I were to do this again it wouldn't be the exact same;IT WOULD BE CLOSE THOUGH!!!

[Emcee]

Well, it's not just disliking a character.... For example, I'd probably be very forgiving to Connor whereas someone else would count every single bad thing he ever did. But I like Connor, so I am willing to accept that a lot of the "wrong" things he did as manipulation by other people.

I think there's actually a huge difference between Evil/Wrong. Also, there's the whole can of worms about the soul issue... Can Angel and Spike be held culpable for their evil deeds when they didn't have a soul? A soul in the Buffyverse is pretty much a moral compass. So if someone is completely devoid of a spiritual moral compass, can they be held responsible when they finally do receive that sense of morality?

I think the concept of good/evil is a very tricky one in the Buffyverse. If you would like to explore it furthur, I think it might be worth considering some of these questions. It could make a good essay.

[Bayne]

I'm thinking you've gotta be counting a whole lotta things that I wouldn't consider evil if you've pegged Faith at 38 for the (what, five? four?) episodes she was in in season seven... I certainly didn't see that much... And I'm pretty sure Riley only appeared in three seasons, so how does he have four numbers?

(Also, when did Tara give the First its plan?)

[Buffy8Fan]

I might consider that paper. I sounds like a good idea. If I get the time.

[Buffy8Fan]

The answer to Bayne's questions. I am probably counting things that people would leave off because I'm trying as hard as I can not to be biast towards any characters whatsoever. Most of the things Faith recieved in season seven were a result of hitting and yelling insults at Buffy and the mutiny that led to Buffy getting kicked out of the house.
As for Riley's extra number, there was the episode (in season 7; Killer in Me) when Spike got the chip out and told the initiative man that his name in "his exact words" were "Bass face. Name calling therefore wrong. I just forgot to explain why like I did with Tara.

[Buffy8Fan]

I didn't notice Bayne's final comment when typing last ime so here it is. My quote sayig Tara gave The First its plan means she was one of the Scooby Gang Members that brought Buffy back from the dead and because of that The First was able to do everything it did in season seven.

[Bayne]

I'm assuming the spell counts against Xander, Anya, and Willow, too, then right?

I'll definitely have to disagree about blaming the mutiny on Faith, though. She didn't do anything in that meeting but give sound tactical advice - what Buffy was asking them to do was completely insane, regardless of whether she turned out to be right. And she tried to back out of the whole idea once they started trying to put her in charge.

[Buffy8Fan]

Yes, I counted the spell against Willow, Xander and Anya. I watched the mutiny scene very closely and counted only insults. If they were telling Buffy their concerns I didn't count it. Faith did apoligize on the porch but she still didn't stop her from leaving in the middle of an apocalypse while she made it clear she didn't want to be leader that got a point. She also got a point for attacking Buffy a couple of times (instead of just expressing concerns).
What Buffy was asking them to do wasn't insane? Giles specifically said (and was right) was that people die in battle. If they couldn't defeat a couple of bringers and Caleb the wouldve been screwed in the series finale. The episode made them realize this. And no she didn't once try to back out of the idea believe me on that, as well as the rest, because I watched this scene a numerous amount of times.

[Buffy8Fan]

I don't know when or if I'll ever have time for that paper so this explanation of how I judge the characters may just have to do for now.

Everyone is going to have their opinion on morals and their on opinion on what is Evil and Wrong, well, hopefully not what is evil. Those should be a given.
This was my moral compass for the show.

Everything from bad words (including Oh my God and Godess because it is the lord's name in vain) all the way to rape attempts (I didn't count Xander's rape attempt because he was possesed but I did count that he lied about it).

Insults were a big issue in season 1 and I did mark Buffy calling herself a slut as well as Xander trying to take a peek at her getting dressed in the mirror.

Fights was a problem throughout the series. An example is if a person hits someone then says an insult then hits them it is three points. If it is an all out fight it is only one point. If they hit the person three times got three points. Fighting bad guys in any way got no points unless it was a swear word because those were always bad.

Nothing done in dream sequences got points.

Spike ways bad until the end of the episode where he fell in love with Buffy and Faith was good until she went to the Mayor at the end of 'Consequenses.'

Spells didn't count unless the person could control what they were saying and/or doing. Example: Willow counted in 'Halloween.'

In the episode 'Enemies' I personally marked Angel and Angelus with those marks just for the heck of it but also I think I told you that too. And if people want to know the diffrence between Spike with and without a soul. Without a soul is the last number on the list.

There were some things that I had to think about whether or not that deserved a mark or not (I will admit that) I wasn't doint it because I was biast though, I can admit that because I did it with every character at least a couple of times a season, I did it because of the moral boundries I had set for this task.

There is something else I have to admit. Though I know everyone would judge this diffrently and I myself might come up with very slightly diffrent numbers if I did it all over again. Season one however I was still adjusting to how I was doing the moral bondries (for the sake of a better word) of it and didn't have them totally set in place until season two, episode one. I am thinking of redoing season one when I get the time.

If you have any questions, ask. I actually don't mind doing this.

[Xandrew]

Off topic/ about responsibility would a person post-amnesia be culpable for what he did if he wouldn't recover from it (becoming another person)

[Xandrew]

I think that the compass for morals should be based on the opinions of the shows characters (in which the christian god didn't really exist, and since yhvh is his name saying "godess" shouldn't be blasphemous, nor is swearing really evil)